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of issues. david, i see the jacket is on. take it away. >> reporter: jack ket is on because it's so bright out and i had a white shirt on. it's a magnificent day here. one of our hosts is kyle bass. thank you for having us, as always. >> sure. >> and you and i are going to start off where we start many of our interviews, mainly talking about debt balances throughout the world. deleveraging has been taking place around the world. in fact, you hear about it, the deleveraging the economy. that's not the case, right? >> we try to look at the world in its totality and when you look at on balance sheet corporate debt, they've grown from $80 trillion, 11% growth rate when you have a population growth of 1.2, realty gdp growth of 3.8 and debt growth of about 11. central bank balance sheet of 16. you can't just do this for very long. what you're seeing is leveraging on the government side. you're seeing central banks that are starting to do open-ended money printing. so it makes it difficult. >> you're looking now at the sort of further end of this chart. we didn't have it all in one. global oh pop
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